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Hawkeye!
« on: November 24, 2021, 09:39:43 PM »
Tonight… Hawkeye starts.  We are watching it now. So far so good… who is pumped for this series??  Anything you’re looking forward to seeing?

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Re: Hawkeye!
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2021, 09:17:43 AM »
My Daughter and I have been eagerly waiting for this series. We have watched both episodes and have a lot of questions. We will not judge until we see more as the series is released. Presently we are puzzled as to why the series is focused on the girl and Hawkeye feeling more like a guest star.  :-\
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2021, 08:35:40 PM »
Enjoying it so far. It's nice to have a show that's based on the ground and shows perspectives of those who are not enhanced.

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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2021, 08:33:05 PM »
I accidentally spoiled some things for myself but now I'm hyped for this series. This phase was moving kind of slow but now it seems it's about to be at full force again.

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Re: Hawkeye!
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2021, 09:47:40 AM »
Hawkeye really has taken some interesting turns.  The thought that Clint did some not-so-savory things is pretty clear.  I dig this series... the LARP scene is pretty funny.  SHHHHHnnnnnnngggggg

One of my favorite parts so far are:
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When she asks Clint why he has the hearing aid in so many words... and then there's a montage of his battles and explosions.  lol  ;D


The other part I don't understand is ... In Avengers and other movies, Hawkeye melts through enemies like butter.  He had a more rough time in Age of Ultron... resting at the end.  As Ronin, he was doing the same thing.  Maybe he lost some of his care... but he seems to be having more of a rough time fighting in Hawkeye.

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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2021, 01:30:21 AM »
The other part I don't understand is ... In Avengers and other movies, Hawkeye melts through enemies like butter.  He had a more rough time in Age of Ultron... resting at the end.  As Ronin, he was doing the same thing.  Maybe he lost some of his care... but he seems to be having more of a rough time fighting in Hawkeye.

As I mentioned earlier, the man is not enhanced. He's aging and all of the battles are taking its toll physically and mentally. He's not infused with super soldier serum, or gamma rays. He's not a demi-god or an alien. He's just a normal dude that has higher than normal eyesight, reflexes and aim.

Tony Stark showed similar problems in Iron Man 3. He just happened to have powerful suits to help him out. Clint has none of that.

His hearing aid is the shows way of showing how human he is along with how difficult it is for him to balance superhero life with his family life.
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2021, 02:56:09 PM »
Episode 3 was pretty good. Just wish the fight was better lit/choreographed but overall it worked, and of course -

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Only 2 episodes left! Can't wait for them.

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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2021, 07:50:47 PM »
Okay we have viewed 4 episodes. Still the series is revolving around the girl as the main character. And Hawkeye seems to be the guest star? The plot of the story is not progressing as would be expected, and now we have a subplot interjected. The first two episodes took too long to lay the foundation, which should have been merged as the first episode. We are trying, and wanting, to like this series. But........................hmmmm, there are two episodes left.

It is lacking something.  :-X
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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2021, 11:43:07 PM »
Episode 5!

Not an exciting episode. Barely any action but it set up a ton for the final episode.

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Kingpin!! So glad they're bringing him back. He was so good in Daredevil. It would've been a shame if he was left there.

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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2021, 07:41:38 PM »
I think the 5th episode was better written than any of the others so far. 3 was good, but this one has a little bit of that feeling of, "we are going somewhere with this." It has been a jumbled bit of bad writing, or directing, maybe both, just to bring us to this point. I think it was wrong to lay the foundation of the series on the girl, that should have been a side story to weave her into the plot. The way they did this made the whole series, off. The focus should have been Hawkeye from the beginning, since the name of the series is "Hawkeye." They would have needed to hire some writers to ingeniously work that in, obviously.

Sorry to be a deadbeat, but if their intentions are to make these series for the fans, then they are going to have to bring them up to the standards of the movies. I had some expectations for this series and as you may guess I am disappointed. This whole thing could have been better than this.
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2021, 02:13:38 AM »
Sorry to be a deadbeat, but if their intentions are to make these series for the fans, then they are going to have to bring them up to the standards of the movies.

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say with this. Since it's very clearly for the fans. It's especially for those who are fans of the comics and MCU since they managed to take a beloved storyline and flesh it out on TV. Even if it wasn't pulled from the comics, everything is meticulously deliberate to move along the entire MCU storyline. Which is what the movies do as well. They are self-contained stories that end up being a part of the bigger picture.

You keep bringing up Kate Bishop like she's not important but it's very clear from the beginning why she's the focus. This show pretty much spells it out. Hell, I would even say it beats you over the head with it. However, since there's only 1 episode left, it's best to just let it reveal itself to you next week. (Assuming it ends here and there's no season 2. It's also possible more of the story threads are completed in other shows/movies. I don't know what will be revealed in the finale.)

It's also been one of the main themes of phase 4 in general which also makes it a little more obvious.

I will say this. It hasn't been perfect. I also think the writing can be underwhelming at times but the main beats of the story help move things along towards something grander, so it's fine with me.
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Re: Hawkeye!
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2021, 11:18:45 AM »
I keep bring up the Bishop girl because it seems to be her series from the way it has been presented from the beginning. That's the way it is coming across to us. I am not downplaying her significance to the storyline. But I guess we were expecting Hawkeye to be the lead character. The writing has not been revolving around him. My expectations was a story centering around particularly the person of Hawkeye. It looks like something else and that is where my family and I have been disappointed.

But this could be a groundwork that is being laid for Hawkeye to maybe start the "Young Avengers." Which could be seen in the second season? That would explain the whole deal with the Bishop girl being the center of the whole series and not Clint. I can't see this ending in only one season with one episode left. There is too much hanging. The Bishop girl did take on Hawkeye's persona in her association with the Young Avengers in the comics.
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Re: Hawkeye!
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2021, 09:33:34 PM »
I see what you're saying @retro junkie  ... and it is pretty cool to see how this is playing out.

Looks like we are at the final episode for the season... I really wish there were more than 6 episodes.   There's A LOT they could have done to expanded this out.   Only a few more days until Episode 6!

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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2021, 10:44:31 PM »
Welp, saw the finale. Was definitely disappointed. It tied up many of the loose ends but not really in a satisfying way. Will mull it over a bit before I decide where the series stands against the other D+ shows.

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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2021, 09:29:14 AM »
I am not sure at this point if this fits into Marvel's phase 4 at all.  :-X I am confused about where this fits. Unless something takes place in the next season. I need to step back and try to grasp what I just saw in the final episode. There seemed to be too much going on. It was like this going on over here, wait this over here, what no wait this, huh wait now what? I might have to binge watch this whole series. Get up high and look down on everything, sort of like Hawkeye.  :o
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« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2021, 02:08:50 PM »
I am not sure at this point if this fits into Marvel's phase 4 at all.

You might be overthinking it a bit. Not every Marvel movie or show has immediate impact on the MCU. Some of the shows and movies do things that eventually have implications down the road and are basically just setup and exposition for the rest of the phase or new characters.

Age of Ultron is considered the lesser of the Avenger's movies but none of them have had the impact it has, especially in this phase in particular.

I think the issue is that they tried to fit everything in 6 episodes. I think at least 8 would've been better. 10 would've really been the optimal number.

Personally, I find Jeremy Renner's version of Hawkeye as exciting as cardboard. I'm really hoping they eventually move on from him like they've done with some of the other Avengers.

Yelena and Kate are so much better than him, in my opinion.
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« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2021, 06:58:06 PM »
Yelena and Kate are so much better than him, in my opinion.

I agree. For me, Yelena and Kate playing off of each other was the highlights of that last episode. It might have been better if they had somewhat teamed up earlier, off and on, even if they were opposed to one another. What you are talking about is the pacing of the story when considering 8 episodes, or even 10. The Hawkeye in the comics and animation has been a better character than what has been brought to the screen.
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« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2021, 12:26:54 AM »
I really enjoyed the 1st season.  I thought it was great.  There definitely could have been a few things done a bit different… and probably expanded it to at least 8 episodes.  I’m not sure why they crammed it into 6 episodes.    I can’t wait for season 2.

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« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2022, 01:13:25 PM »
With the superhero attrition going on (downey, johansson, evans, et. al.), I think these D+ series are being used to introduce and/or flesh out new characters more than progress the storyline. Most of them seem like filler, all be it good filler. Same with Star Wars.

I also feel like your casual MCU viewer may not geek out on every character spin off imaginable so unveiling major events in a d+ series might turn some away. Instead keep pushing out bangers for the silver screen all the while converting some of those casual viewers into full blown geeks, who in turn subscribe to d+.

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« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2022, 06:31:05 PM »
With the superhero attrition going on (downey, johansson, evans, et. al.), I think these D+ series are being used to introduce and/or flesh out new characters more than progress the storyline. Most of them seem like filler, all be it good filler. Same with Star Wars.

I also feel like your casual MCU viewer may not geek out on every character spin off imaginable so unveiling major events in a d+ series might turn some away. Instead keep pushing out bangers for the silver screen all the while converting some of those casual viewers into full blown geeks, who in turn subscribe to d+.

I would say you're spot on about the shows. The movies will always be the tent poles of the MCU.

I rewatched Endgame this weekend and realized how much darker Ronin was in the movie. I think the show should've been darker and I think being on D+ is a disservice to it. Especially with how great
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Re: Hawkeye!
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2022, 05:07:53 PM »
MCU writing off the Netflix series really sucks, Punisher and Daredevil was awesome.

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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2022, 06:21:08 PM »
MCU writing off the Netflix series really sucks, Punisher and Daredevil was awesome.
Can they really do that being that they have this multiverse thing going on right now? I mean everything would be acceptable now, Right?
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« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2022, 01:34:27 PM »
@retro junkie  EVERYTHING seems to be plausible right now.   The directions are infinite...  I wouldn't be shocked if we started seeing other X-men show up (IE Wolverine).