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Ms. Marvel Show (Disney+)
« on: June 20, 2022, 10:13:42 PM »
Two episodes in and I'm personally enjoying this show. I think it has a lot of heart and extremely creative art direction. The actress is a perfect cast in my opinion.

I'm hoping that the show remains consistent like Moon Knight.



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Re: Ms. Marvel Show (Disney+)
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2022, 09:45:51 AM »
I had not been attracted to it. But I think I will check this out today.
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Re: Ms. Marvel Show (Disney+)
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2022, 01:41:42 PM »
My biggest issue with this series, and I think it is some of the problems with a lot of the Disney+ original content, is the influence of the Disney Channel/Nickelodeon teen shows, feels. There is that Disney smell that is somehow different from the Marvel movies. I can't quite put my finger on it. It might be who they are getting, the team, that are putting some of these series together and that might be the reason for the hit or miss. Or maybe it is my age getting in the way. This series is just not working for me. There is just something about the episodes that causes me to cringe. Something is broken. My Daughter didn't like it because it just wasn't the original character from the comics. I am thinking that you will either like it, or not like, this series. Or maybe an acquired taste.  :-\

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The original character, from the comics, had the powers in herself and didn't get it from a bangle bracelet.
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Re: Ms. Marvel Show (Disney+)
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2022, 04:16:14 PM »
Good post @CreepinDeth  I was meaning to get around to this... this is a great topic.

I think the show is pretty good so far.  There are some teenagery annoying things... but so far, so good.  You're also right, the main character cast is spot on. However, I have to agree with @retro junkie too on his spoiler comment.  I was scratching my head after seeing that particular piece play out.

Definitely looking forward to more.

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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2022, 06:29:59 PM »
I am thinking that you will either like it, or not like, this series.

I mean, you can say that about every single show. In regards to the other things you posted, that stuff doesn't bother me. I've seen Disney shows and they are way more cringey and on the nose with their writing than these D+ shows. Those are mostly targeted to pre-teens. This show is for Teenagers and above. It's a high school character, there's no way it wasn't going to be about her life. Honestly, I find the Sam Raimi Spider-man high school scenes way more cringey than this.

However, I have to agree with @retro junkie too on his spoiler comment.  I was scratching my head after seeing that particular piece play out.

I've stopped caring at this point. More context in my spoiler.

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There are only a handful of MCU characters that are true to their comic counterparts. Most are modified to fit this new, grounded universe so it doesn't bother me anymore. Kevin Feige has earned my trust to make cool, comic book movies/shows. Rumor has it that the reason they changed it up was to not conflict with Reed Richard's power set.

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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2022, 05:27:16 PM »
@CreepinDeth I agree.  I think Feige has done a pretty good job so far... great for the most part.  I can see why some have issues with it... and why others do not.  I personally have enjoyed almost every minute of it outside a few things. 

Part of me also wonders if Disney is changing the narrative.  I know progression happens over time.  The vision appears to have changed over time as well... even with the world's vision changing and different events that happened.  Maybe it's just the difference between Marvel itself and Marvel in Disney.

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Honestly, I find the Sam Raimi Spider-man high school scenes way more cringey than this
So true.  Andrew and Toby BOTH had major cringe worthy scenes.  They sort of dealt with that during Spider-Man: No Way Home lol.  ;D

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Re: Ms. Marvel Show (Disney+)
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2022, 05:44:25 PM »
@BLUEVOODU toby's spiderman venom scenes,  :asdds:, I could not watch that movie again. How he acted when venom took over, I don't know, I just could not handle it.  :-\

I think this is what has happened to the Marvel comicbook franchise in the hands of Disney+ that I am finding a problem. I am not easily accepting the change and I am holding on to the past. It makes it difficult.

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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2022, 10:55:57 PM »


I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to say here as this picture can mean different things. Especially when Pixar movies are great stories that appeal to all ages. Do you want the shows to be more PG rated like the movies? Are the characters too cartoony?

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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2022, 10:12:56 AM »
@CreepinDeth what I am implying is that Disney has taken the comic book characters and basically Disneytized them and made them their own. What was in the comics stays in the comics. If you come expecting the old heroes that you grew up with or were fond of, then you will be disappointed immediately, or, at some point. Some may be in costume and name only. Others may have a feel about them that resembles that old comic book character but underneath will have that Disney touch, or seal. I think that is the issue with the Star Wars stuff too. An issue to some, or it may be, something welcomed by some fans. I think that really puts into words why I am disappointed in some of the material being produced. I even had some issues with the Avenger movies but I was able to push it aside and enjoy them. My Daughter has yet to watch "Infinity War" and "End Game" for that reason. I think the people that have never read comics are the most fortunate. Maybe I shouldn't be so petty. But it is difficult to have loved a fictional character and feel that they have been mishandled and not what you wanted or expected. Bringing your character to the big screen is usually a one shot deal. It will either succeed or fail. At the end of the "Eternals" movie when that being was coming up out of the earth and froze. My expressed my thoughts out loud, Finally Jack Kirby stuff!!!

I meant no harm to the Pixar moives. The are awesome!
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2022, 06:03:18 PM »
@CreepinDeth what I am implying is that Disney has taken the comic book characters and basically Disneytized them and made them their own.

I understand being a purist. If that's what's keeping you from enjoying the shows and movies, then so be it. That's your choice. I don't understand this sentence though. Every comic book movie since the first Superman with Christopher Reeves has taken many liberties with the characters and altered them to fit the directors and/or studio's vision.

Disneytized is still not a clear term. Are they too children focused? Or is that just a way to say that they're not 1:1 comic counterparts? Because it's Feige that's running this. No one else at Disney is putting their flavor on the MCU like it has in the Star Wars franchise (although it seems maybe Jon Favreau and Taika Waititi might be changing that soon with their success.)

There are a ton of comic readers who love the MCU variants. If anything, they're the reason it's successful. They helped the MCU by giving the original Iron Man legitimacy by being outspoken about how great a movie it was. Jon Favreau respected the the lore and I feel that's what's being done to this day (with the exception of a few moves here and there that I've mentioned in the Eternals thread.) As someone who has worked in the video game industry, I have met many, and become friends with, hardcore comic nerds. I do mean hardcore. They may not praise everything as perfect but they thoroughly enjoy the MCU. But both of our experiences are anecdotal, so it would be cool to see a survey on this. I'm genuinely curious.

Just my .02 cents, but Infinity War and End Game were absolutely great at the movie theater and I don't think I will experience something like that again now with Streaming being a huge factor. It was one of those rare, special events that don't happen often. I feel like the original Star Wars theatrical release was probably the closest. I'm so glad I got to experience them personally since I wasn't around for SW.

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Re: Ms. Marvel Show (Disney+)
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2022, 10:25:23 AM »
It is difficult to put into words the "Disneytized" transformation of what becomes a Disney feel. One has to understand it from a perspective of, if you can understand when I say "Hallmark movie" feel. I grew up with Disney. There has always been that difference that has labeled their works. There is that smell and feel about everything they do that you know is Disney produced. I am not saying that it is kid orientated. They are mostly what we call "Family Friendly." But that is not an accurate description of the Disney feel either. And it is no denying that Disney has been a game changer.  It is the way they package things, I guess. I am not saying that they are all bad. The Avenger movies are good movies, not saying they are bad in any way. (The way they connected all the MCU movies reminds me of they way Marvel connected stories in the comics.) It is sort of like Shigeru Miyamoto creating how we perceive and know Nintendo to this day. You are going to get a different gaming experience on a Nintendo console than you are going to get on any other. (I am curious as to what Disney is going to do with Dead Pool. That could give you an idea as to what I am talking about.)
 I am hoping that the Avenger movies have not been the climax of the MCU franchise. I am hoping they can keep on doing this with the same success in future works. I am hoping they can do the same thing with the Fantastic Four, Xmen, and the Inhumans. And I do realize that they will have to change things to appeal to the movie going fans and contain the story lines to fit into the way movies are limited in trying to tell a whole story within two or three hours. My comic book characters are in the 60's. That is where they live and come from.

I can't handle, or set through, a "Hallmark" movie. Just saying.
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2022, 04:57:42 PM »
I do understand the Hallmark feeling for sure. It's basically a formula for low budget rom-coms. However, I'm still not sure what a Disney movie feels like. I grew up with the Disney renaissance of the '90's with Aladdin, Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, etc and then with Pixar. I also watched a lot of Disney channel with my niece and nephew when I babysat them in the '00's. The last decade I haven't seen much of.

I don't get any of that "Disney" feeling when I watch any MCU product though, which is why I'm genuinely curious what it all means.

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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2022, 11:16:38 PM »
Last episode aired yesterday. Before I get into what I think about the show overall, I can't not mention what happened in that last episode. There's been a lot of articles and whatnot so hopefully you all manage to avoid it (unless you don't care.)

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The first official MCU mutant has been revealed! The fact that they made Kamala the first one on screen is pretty cool in my opinion. With Comic-Con next week, MCU is about to get more interesting. Also would not be surprised if this is the beginning of the Sentinel program.

Then there's the post-credits scene. Seems the Bangles are a lot more than they made them out to be in the show. Might be the introduction of Secret Wars.


The show did not end up being as consistently good as I was hoping but I still enjoyed it. Episodes 3-5 felt very rushed compared to the first 2. I really wish seasons lasted longer. Episode 6 was better but not by much. It gets saved by the spoiler above. Iman Vellani is a great Ms. Marvel though and should easily compliment the other stars in the franchise.

The one thing about episodes 3-5 I thought was interesting was the history of the Indian Partition. It's Disney, so it's not the most complex and accurate representation of it but I never really knew much about it and it got me interested in learning more.

Comic-Con next weekend is going to be very exciting in my opinion. Phase 4 has been a slow burn due to covid but it's finally picking up the pace.

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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2022, 02:52:31 PM »
I do understand the Hallmark feeling for sure. It's basically a formula for low budget rom-coms. However, I'm still not sure what a Disney movie feels like. I grew up with the Disney renaissance of the '90's with Aladdin, Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, etc and then with Pixar. I also watched a lot of Disney channel with my niece and nephew when I babysat them in the '00's. The last decade I haven't seen much of.

I don't get any of that "Disney" feeling when I watch any MCU product though, which is why I'm genuinely curious what it all means.
I believe many of those new shows are on Disney +.  They are DEFINITELY a different formula the later you go.  In many cases, faster and more add in topic and action (not necessarily stating as a negative)... which is hard to imagine.

Also, as far as I know, I don't think the announced they are renewing Ms. Marvel.  Hopefully a season 2 will be coming.  I definintely liked the series.    It was interesting how the attempted to tell the Indian Partition as well, but honestly... I know next to nothing on that topic.

@CreepinDeth --> Maybe a Comic-Con topic is necessary  ;D

 

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